Post by triplev123 on Jan 15, 2011 17:00:46 GMT 12
G'day there Buster & Flashing,
If you go to the HRA website and pull up the basic sires statistics supplied along with their predigree/race record & so on then with the click of a mouse you can isolate the 'Australian born' offspring crop to crop for any sire your heart desires.
It is not near impossible but it certainly has a cost attached, you have to subcribe....I think it's only $150 or thereabouts annually...but it is another cost and as we all know some people in the Industry immediately jack up at such things & it wouldn't matter if it was $15.
Incidentally, while it's certainly not an arm and a leg, I think that's a significant factor working against the more widespread dissemination of the crucial data/statistics that Breeders in this country need to have on hand in order to make informed decisions.
There's certainly a school of thought that says "bugger them, if they don't want to pay then let them take their chances", this mainly from those who do use such services and no doubt get a clearer picture as a result...no surprises there.
While I can see their point to some degree, I am quite certain that many Breeders in this country are either simply not aware of the information that is easily available to them if they knew where and how to look for it...or they are aware of it but are somewhat intimidated by it as they don't then have a way of accurately interpreting that information for later application.
Flashing, you made mention of Stakes winners at the end of the above post and it rang a bell or two here. When he was here in Australia back maybe 7 or 8 years ago now Murray Brown mentioned that some consideration was being given at the time to presenting the US Sale catalogues in a format such that it 'graded' the Stakes winners, something which was kind of along the lines of our Gr.1, Gr.2 etc. but it was much more stringent by way of race prestige, prizemoney etc. and that this could/would be extended to the way in which a sire's winning progeny were noted.
To my knowledge it didn't go any further than an idea as far as the US Sales catalogues were concerned but I thought it had a great deal of merit & picked up the general idea as a way of sorting sire stats. head to head, year to year.
I've found it's a little more difficult to apply to mares & to maternal families here in Oz because racing opportunity aspects (large State by State variations in the prizemoney, juvenile racing programs, mares racing etc etc) come into play that can often cloud the picture...and as such some mares/maternal families come up as being off the pace production wise as compared to others when in reality you know in your bones that is not the case.
I'm HOPELESS with Excel/spreadsheets...but when I have seen them used properly for such things I never fail to be impressed by the ease with which you can sort huge amounts of data.
If you go to the HRA website and pull up the basic sires statistics supplied along with their predigree/race record & so on then with the click of a mouse you can isolate the 'Australian born' offspring crop to crop for any sire your heart desires.
It is not near impossible but it certainly has a cost attached, you have to subcribe....I think it's only $150 or thereabouts annually...but it is another cost and as we all know some people in the Industry immediately jack up at such things & it wouldn't matter if it was $15.
Incidentally, while it's certainly not an arm and a leg, I think that's a significant factor working against the more widespread dissemination of the crucial data/statistics that Breeders in this country need to have on hand in order to make informed decisions.
There's certainly a school of thought that says "bugger them, if they don't want to pay then let them take their chances", this mainly from those who do use such services and no doubt get a clearer picture as a result...no surprises there.
While I can see their point to some degree, I am quite certain that many Breeders in this country are either simply not aware of the information that is easily available to them if they knew where and how to look for it...or they are aware of it but are somewhat intimidated by it as they don't then have a way of accurately interpreting that information for later application.
Flashing, you made mention of Stakes winners at the end of the above post and it rang a bell or two here. When he was here in Australia back maybe 7 or 8 years ago now Murray Brown mentioned that some consideration was being given at the time to presenting the US Sale catalogues in a format such that it 'graded' the Stakes winners, something which was kind of along the lines of our Gr.1, Gr.2 etc. but it was much more stringent by way of race prestige, prizemoney etc. and that this could/would be extended to the way in which a sire's winning progeny were noted.
To my knowledge it didn't go any further than an idea as far as the US Sales catalogues were concerned but I thought it had a great deal of merit & picked up the general idea as a way of sorting sire stats. head to head, year to year.
I've found it's a little more difficult to apply to mares & to maternal families here in Oz because racing opportunity aspects (large State by State variations in the prizemoney, juvenile racing programs, mares racing etc etc) come into play that can often cloud the picture...and as such some mares/maternal families come up as being off the pace production wise as compared to others when in reality you know in your bones that is not the case.
I'm HOPELESS with Excel/spreadsheets...but when I have seen them used properly for such things I never fail to be impressed by the ease with which you can sort huge amounts of data.