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Post by kaxolsson on Jan 13, 2011 23:44:01 GMT 12
M. Yankee, Love you put aside.
Is there anyone that knows about any other stallion worth mentioning that is getting a go somewhere in Australasia?
Is there anyone breeding to something interesting?
It seems to be a bit like one lane in the breeding from my point of view. Its either Sundon, M.Yankee or now flavor of the month Love you...
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Post by flashingred on Jan 14, 2011 2:26:09 GMT 12
Was the old trotting thread getting too long for you?  |
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Post by kaxolsson on Jan 14, 2011 8:38:55 GMT 12
The old thread has become pointless in my opinion. Thought it might be someone who has got over it aswell and wants to talk about the wider breeding future of trotters then Love you and M.Yankee. Casue surely they are not the only way to Rome?
Anyone thoughts on some other one? A. Raffaelo? Angus Hall? Varenne?
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Post by breakthebank on Jan 14, 2011 14:43:19 GMT 12
Its interesting to compare the breeding between USA and Europe - USA is dominated by Speedy Crown and in Europe, Stars Pride is a much more dominant figure, along with the Axworthy lines.
Sundon has been the dominant sire in NZ for the last 10-15 years and with good reason - he has been able to produce good horses from any sireline including pacing ones ! and bats well above his service fee in $/live foal.
However as a broodmare sire he is way off the pace and that is maybe due to the types of stallions available to breed his mares on - essentially from the USA, a lot of the stallions are looking for Speedy Crown in the mare - there is no Speedy Crown in Arndon so it must come from the 2nd dam.
I like to see 2 things in a breeding - some relationship between the mare and the maternal side of the stallion (ie there is something to be added to the progeny from both the sire and the dam) and a mare that meets the profile of the stallion.
Undoubtedly there are some standouts in the stallion lineup in NZ but most are in the higher price brackets. If I had a good enough mare with plenty of Speedy Crown I would go to Varenne in a heartbeat - even if that was the only breeding for the year. Angus Hall would go well with Sundons who have Stars Pride somewhere and he would make a good outcross sire which we need (just look at the number of Garland Lobell over Valley Victory horses and vice versa in the USA since Angus Hall appeared)
Pegasus Spur is another good horse that is looking for Stars Pride somewhere in the mare - he seems to produce nice types and with good temperament.
Crazed is another at the higher price end that should go ok
Raffaello is interesting as he has a maternal pedigree similar to Sundon and the couple I have seen are very nice athletic types.
Love You will also look for Speedy Crown in the mare and no doubt people are going there because of the high prices a couple fetched at the last yearling sales.
So I guess after all this, my point is that each stallion has a profile of mares that he succeeds best with and the best offspring generally fit the profile
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Post by bustoharland on Jan 14, 2011 15:18:42 GMT 12
pegasus spur threw our best young trotter last year
i'd never really noticed him until he came along
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Post by breakthebank on Jan 14, 2011 17:58:08 GMT 12
pegasus spur threw our best young trotter last year i'd never really noticed him until he came along Ours is a nice one as well - nicely built, clean gaited and well mannered. Was impressed with PS when I saw him at Woodlands the first year he was here. The filly has thrown very much to him. Personally I don't understand why people don't look at the stallions they are paying a lot of money for. I've seen all the NZ based ones that I've sent mares too. |
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Post by triplev123 on Jan 14, 2011 18:07:59 GMT 12
Has anyone seen Muscle Hill in the flesh?
COP THAT RAREBIT! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by pansgenie on Jan 18, 2011 20:37:03 GMT 12
Monarchy has two lines of Stars Pride in him ,one on his maternal side, also has Speedy Crown. I see Monarchy taking over Sundon's mantle in the future. Muscles Yankee has been good in Aussie so probably will remain popular.
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Post by waxmanfan on Jan 19, 2011 10:47:57 GMT 12
Has anyone seen Muscle Hill in the flesh? COP THAT RAREBIT! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D yes i have actually!!!! |
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Post by triplev123 on Jan 19, 2011 11:25:11 GMT 12
We've got a piece of a Trotting mare here in Oz and I'm pumping for her to be bred to Muscle Hill next season because he's the fastest and the most fluid gaited Trotter that I've ever seen.
As an individual, what's your take on him...size, build etc?
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Post by waxmanfan on Jan 20, 2011 15:08:55 GMT 12
We've got a piece of a Trotting mare here in Oz and I'm pumping for her to be bred to Muscle Hill next season because he's the fastest and the most fluid gaited Trotter that I've ever seen. As an individual, what's your take on him...size, build etc? you've summed him up to a tee. the most fluid gaited trotter we've ever seen & he was trained by greg peck. what he would've done if trained by takter is anybody's guess. only saw him close up on hambo day but what a striking individual he was. felt priveledged to witness both him & lucky jim both record 50.1 hard held on the same day. |
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Post by triplev123 on Jan 20, 2011 19:58:23 GMT 12
I was amazed by his point to point speed and by how handy he was. He could change gears like a damned Motor Bike, he'd pull to the outside and be off and gone in the blink of an eye. An incredible horse. The way he scattered the field in the 2009 Hambletonian was something to behold. If Sears had given him a pluck he'd have broken 1:50, no risk.
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Post by rarebit on Jun 30, 2011 22:24:02 GMT 12
Where's the pacer in his pedigree, Genius.
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Post by triplev123 on Jul 1, 2011 12:40:53 GMT 12
Jesus wept you're dense. Can you not see that it is all about a combination of form, function and balance. That is why some Pacers can and do Trot just as well as their all Trotting bred counterparts.
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Post by rarebit on Jul 1, 2011 15:24:14 GMT 12
And ALL of the top 20 trotting sires in the US, and also the top 20 trotting sires in both Italy and Sweden, have not one pacing sire in their paternal or maternal pedigrees. Of course that doesn't mean a thing by your way of thinking, but most people would actually think it does.
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